Category Archives: Geograph

Anything to do with the Geograph British Isles website

Moo Minicards

Moo ran a promotion last week giving away 10 free “mini cards” to 10,000 people. I want to get some printed for Geograph so this was a great opportunity to check the quality. My free cards arrived this morning, so what’s the verdict?

Very nice!

The cards are quite thick with a nice silky sheen, and they feel quite durable. This combined with their colourful nature makes them feel quite “collectable”.

Can’t wait to get some Geograph ones made now…

Geograph, Creative Commons and Ordnance Survey Revisited

Way back in May I wrote an entry about possible problems faced by Geograph’s planned use of “closed” content like Ordnance Survey (OS) maps in combination with our use of Creative Commons (CC) licences.

There are a few areas we need to be sure of before incorporating OS maps into the site:

  • Can an OS grid reference be included in a CC licenced work?
  • Can we display an OS map alongside a CC sharealike licenced work?
  • Can someone create a CC licenced geolocated work by clicking an OS map to indicate position?

Thorny questions, and the OS have (quite rightly) spent some considerable time pondering them. Our overriding concern is “protect the archive” – we want to ensure the archive can continue to grow and remain free (as both in speech and in beer) forever.

I think we’re almost there…

Can an OS grid reference be included in a CC licenced work?

Technically, the OS “own” the national grid system, and their right to refuse to allow someone to use it has been upheld in recent case law. Since the project is based around the grid system, to find we are unable to create geolocated works using national grid references would be something of a showstopper. Thankfully, the OS regard using a National Grid Reference (NGR) to indicate a point of interest is a legitimate use over which they can have no influence.

So it seems the OS is happy to allow us to create CC licenced works including an NGR. Even if they weren’t, we could switch to maintaining an archive of works where the geolocation data was a WGS84 latitude and longitude, and then simply derive an NGR from that ourselves. In the event anyone “came after us”, the original archive can remain intact, just our derived works become voided.

Thankfully, it seems we are on safe ground.

Can we display an OS map alongside a CC sharealike licenced work?

I covered this one in my May article – the resulting page as a whole is not a derivative. The page is a collective work, and we’re free to include content on that page using different licences. The individual image remains CC licenced, but the entire page content is not.

Can someone create a CC licenced geolocated work by clicking an OS map to indicate position?

Here’s where is gets surprising. After several months of thought, OS have said “yes”.

Is that the sound of jaws dropping?

OK then, it’s “yes….but”.

If someone were to attempt to recreate a map using geolocated metadata from the collective works, that person would be leaving themselves open to legal action by the OS. If our theoretical defendant produced Geograph-derived works in his defence, the OS would argue the geolocation had been derived from their property.

In addition, Geograph itself would not be held liable for the action of this third party.

So, on the face of it, it looks good. The cloud in that silver lining is that building maps from metadata in Geograph images is not recommended. Even something simple like extracting all photos of churches with a 10 figure NGR, and then submitting them as points-of-interest to OpenStreetMap could be (in the words of Egon Spengler) “bad”.

So what next?

I’m writing this to hopefully spur some more debate on our use of Creative Commons licencing. Our aim is to support the maintenance and growth of a free and useful photographic archive. Ideally forever.

If we can get through the next few decades without the services of a team of lawyers, I think we’ll manage it.

Domesday, Geograph and data archival

In a recent post about data archival, Ed Parsons linked to an interesting piece about how the 1986 Domesday Project was rescued.

The original project was distributed on laserdisc and accessed with a BBC Master micro, but is now available online at www.domesday1986.com. The interface is a copy of the original BBC interface, and looks archaic to the hypertext-savvy web generation. I believe there are contractual reasons for keeping it that way:

Last year I got in touch with George Auckland at the BBC who was involved with the original production. I enquired whether there was any possibility of incorporating the data into Geograph. While he was excited by the prospect, it turns out they don’t have the rights on the content beyond the original Domesday Project
because of “the rather specific way the project was referred to in the paperwork”.

Looks like we might have to wait until the 22nd century to make something more useful out of that data, but I (and George) live in hope that it will be sooner than that.

Geograph archival

Although Geograph is backed up nightly to multiple locations, we’ve a plan to make an “archival” version available via bittorrent, which would be the JPEG images and XML based metadata. We’ll burn copies to whatever is backup-media-du-jour too. Hopefully we’ll ensure it is preserved for future generations!

We’ve tried contacting the British Library a number of times to see if they’d be interesting in holding an archival copy for their Digital Object Management Programme, but they never reply to our emails. You’d think a snapshot of Britain and Ireland comprising 250,000 photographs would be worth hanging onto….